Linux Luddites

not all change is progress


September 29, 2014

Episode #25


Direct download links: MP3 & Ogg

ZevenOS – Makulu Linux, aesthetics in FOSS software

0:06:42   News

This is dangerous / Open up your head…
Wikipedia page actually not bad
Quick notes about the bash bug, its impact, and the fixes so far
Shellshock Bash bug patch is BUGGY: Infosec bods warn MILLIONS of systems still at risk
Concern over Bash vulnerability grows as exploit reported “in the wild”
Still more vulnerabilities in bash? Shellshock becomes whack-a-mole
Collection of Proof of Concepts and Potential Targets
Stephane Chazelas: the man who found the web’s ‘most dangerous’ internet security bug
Misfeatures Strike Again
Project health, and why it’s important – part of the #shellshock afterwords
Not a bash bug

Story Updates
http://www.qt.io/
Bodhi Linux is NOT Dead – It is just Changing Hands

Courting Freedom?
Italy’s high court shoots down Windows tax

Google and the Competition
Want a Tizen phone to build apps for? Now’s your chance – provided you don’t need it to work
Samsung’s Decision To Stop Selling Laptops In Europe Suggests Tablets Are The Future
Confidential Documents Reveal How Google Is Trying To Limit Samsung’s Control Of Android

Google Wins the Desktop
Hack runs Android apps on Windows, Mac, and Linux computers
Installing Android apps on Chromebooks made easier by Chrome APK Packager

Odds ‘n’ Sods
LibreOffice cash-for-code strategy tests open source ethic
Micro Focus Acquiring Attachmate for $2.3B; SUSE says “Business as Usual”
Debian reverts to GNOME as their default desktop

Releases
OpenMediaVault version 1.0 (and a typical use case, and some things to consider)
Gravit – a GPLv3 Freehand/Fireworks-like graphics package; their website

Seen Elsewhere
Evo/Lution Linux
Gnome 3.14 released
Fedora UK Podcast (thanks to Steven Rosenberg for the tip)

0:42:49   First Impressions

Paddy looked at ZevenOS, whilst Joe was handed GALPon MiniNo for next time.

0:53:56   Feedback

A huge thank you to our anonymous donors who kept things ticking over on Flattr, and to Charles Malpas and David Wolski for their PayPal donations. Steven Rosenberg became the latest person to join our Monthly Supporter program; thanks to Steven, and to everyone who contributes either financially or simply by spreading the word about the show.

It was also nice to see that some folks had rated the show on iTunes, particularly so as they were positive reviews! It’s a good way to raise our visibility, so the more the merrier.

We again had a lot of feedback, and couldn’t get to everyone individually. So an upfront thanks to Cathryne, Krayon, SonOfNed, Florian, nadrimajstor, Charlie Ebert, Jezra, Andy, and everyone on Twitter and G+ for their thoughts and comments.

Returning to the topic of ownCloud, Daniel flagged up an Android app that does allow basic text editing of ODF documents. Steven Rosenberg concurred with our worries about the size of the ownCloud codebase, but also made the reasonable point that PHP/MySQL can be seen as a good implementation choice simply because of the availability of those products on cheap hosting providers. Twisted Lucidity wrote us a long and thoughtful mail covering many aspects of the whole debate, which we took some time to pick through.

Slightly getting ahead of our plans to look at alternatives on a future show, Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mentioned that he happily uses Baikal for CalDav and CardDav services, Michael Albertson suggested git-annex as another option for file syncing, and Ian Barton had mostly good things to say about Syncthing.

Thankfully, at least one listener – in the form of Julian Overall – didn’t think that Paddy was talking out of his posterior for arguing that we really ought to be looking towards P2P for a lot of these services. Julian did reiterate a few of the concerns raised by Joe and Jesse on the last show though, and also caveated on ease of use.

Getting away from cloudy things and back to the desktop, Brian36 flagged up yet another good argument in favour of Wine, and Nathan D. Smith wondered about the basis of Paddy’s comments on feature creep and software bloat from last time. During the discussion, Jesse quoted from a recent interview with Linus Torvalds.

Comments from Steven Rosenberg, Russell Dickenson and some back-channel chatter suggested that there would be interest in seeing us take a walk into BSD territory, if only because of the anticipated world of pain that we’d find ourselves in. A little harsh on those OS’, I’m sure, but we’ll see what we can do on that front in a future show :)

And, finally, if any listeners are also going to be at OggCamp next weekend, do come up and say hello. It would be great to meet some of you in person.

1:19:06   Main Feature

What started out as a look at Makulu Linux rapidly turned into a broader discussion around aesthetics in FOSS software, and the viability of lesser-known distros. But the exercise did unearth a couple of interesting applications that were new to us: the Slingscold launcher; and Sunflower, a modern and lightweight (discounting the Python dependency) featureful dual-pane file manager.


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