not all change is progress
June 8, 2015
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In the news this show, we’ll be discussing our take on the spat between the Ubuntu Community Council and the team behind Kubuntu. We’ve all heard quite a lot from Canonical and the UCC over the last week or two, which gave your Luddites plenty to chew over. But Joe also managed to secure an interview with Jonathan Riddell after we thought that we’d put the show to bed, so listen on to hear the other side of the story.
And, following our usual feedback section, we’ll be casting our gaze over a distro that’s a bit of rarity in the FOSS ecosystem – in that the developers seem to truly appreciate the importance of design and good marketing. The big question, though, is whether that’s really all that elementary Freya has to offer, or have the devs managed to deliver a product that lives up to the glossy packaging?Intro
Joe’s efforts to achieve FOSS podcast ubiquity haven taken another step forward with guest appearances on both the latest and an upcoming episode of the Ubuntu Podcast.
Kubuntu and Ubuntu at odds
Community Council Statement: Jonathan Riddell
Ubuntu Community Council, Jonathan Riddell discuss their recent fallout
All involved have form, as a NSFW 2013 podcast from Linux Outlaws reminds us
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Fedora 22 is here!
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Brand New Bq Ubuntu Phone Goes on Sale Next Week
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Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Phone European Release Date, Pricing Revealed
Canonical is sending all Ubuntu Insiders a Meizu MX4 running Ubuntu!
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CEO of bankrupt Linux company says employee lawsuits put it out of business
First Steam Machines, Steam Link, Controller hit stores November 10
Google I/O 2015
Full keynote video
Google Chrome now has over 1 billion users
The 12 most important announcements from Google I/O 2015
Android M Multi-window
Google’s Project Vault Is A Secure Computing Environment On A Micro SD Card, For Any Platform
Upcoming changes to SD card and mass storage interaction
Google introduce ‘My Account‘ privacy control centre
Google announces the “Cloud Test Lab,” a free, automated testing service
0:53:38 Jonathan Riddell Interview
As we discussed in the news, tensions are still running high between the Ubuntu Community Council and the Kubuntu Council. Joe managed to catch up with Jonathan Riddell, a key figure at the centre of the ongoing dispute, to get his take on events.
A huge thank you to Shaun Chiew and Kenneth Gibbs for your PayPal donations. And, as ever, our eternal thanks to our Monthly Supporters, whose regular funding help enormously both in keeping the show on air and allowing us to plan for future segments that may require a small financial outlay.
And on that topic, Peter Kidd got in touch to ask what happens to hardware (like the Firefox and Tizen phones) after we’ve aired our reviews? We explained that we try to extract maximum value from these purchases by holding on to the items so that when software updates become available we can report back – without incurring the costs associated with purchasing a new device.
Joe mentioned that, along with various UK FOSS luminaries, he and Jesse are planning to visit OpenTech 2015 on 13 June. Looks likely to be an interesting event, and may well be worth checking out if you’re anywhere near London that weekend.
And a special thanks to Brendan Perrine who pointed out that our website didn’t work properly when browsing with QupZilla (or Midori, as Paddy found out). Everything has now been fixed – and if anyone else ever encounters issues in the future, please do get in touch.
Returning to Joe’s seemingly constant unhappiness with Firefox, Rick, Will and Andres all got in touch to say that they didn’t recognise his issues. But philnc did, and Joel Tomfohr encouraged Joe to make the switch to Chromium.
Rick pointed out that whilst those who originally took part in the Oculus Rift crowd-funding campaign did receive hardware, they’ve since been left behind by the company and product. This set your Luddites off on a brief discussion about how these campaigns often seem to act as public beta test programs, where the punter willingly pays to take part.
A few comments about our mobile coverage kicked off with Henry Sprog saying some nice things about Ubuntu Touch, and Esteban taking Jesse to task for his dismissal of lower-end hardware. Some criticism from Mike Allread caused Joe to enter rant-mode, and we finished with Klaatu von Schlacker, who echoed a point that we’ve made repeatedly on the show. See, it’s not just us ;P
1:43:56 elementary OS Freya
Jesse – and many others – predicted big things for elementary OS this year. Prompted by an email from listener Robert Orzanna, we decided that it was high time to see if Freya lived up to those high expectations, or is this distro just an example of style over substance?
The Community Council was not responsible to manage the contributions. The Community Council was not happy with the fact that Canonical did not have proper accounting of the where the dontated money was spent, but it was satisfied with the changes that have been made to ensure better accounting.
Jonathan Riddell asked questions and he was given answers, but continues to claim the CC did not deal with the questions. He also claims the questions were simple, but that is an opinion not a fact.
Kubuntu has, to date, received a great deal of the
$488.52 travel expenses for Jonathan Riddell
$408.00 travel expenses for Rohan Garg, Ubuntu India LoCo Team
$684.46 travel expenses for Jonathan Riddell
$1,076.18 Kubuntu posters for FOSDEM party, Replacement keyboard after FOSDEM breakage, AWS usage, FOSDEM equipment, FOSDEM food, FOSDEM Kubuntu 10th anniversary party, FOSDEM travel via Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$820.97 travel and accommodations for Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$1,644.18 travel and accommodations for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan, Kubuntu team
$1,850.00 travel and accommodations for Aaron Honeycutt, Kubuntu team
$290.00 for AWS usuage for Kubuntu from Sept – Nov via Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$162.00 for AWS usage for Kubuntu during Google Summer of Code via Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
1,350.00 for travel to the event for Valorie Zimmerman, Kubuntu Team
1,600.00 for travel to the event for Scarlet Clark
$336.00 travel and accommodations for Myriam Schweingruber, Kubuntu team
$833.00 travel and accommodations for Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$394.00 travel and accommodations for Rohan Garg, Kubuntu team
$500.00 travel and accommodations for Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$678.15 travel and accommodations for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan, Kubuntu team
$464.00 travel and accommodations for Rohan Garg, Kubuntu team
$949.00 for Kubuntu Akademy Expenses: Shirts for Kubuntu team for Akademy week Food and Drink for lunch and dinner at Kubuntu Day Postage for Kubuntu poster to Akademy also AWS usage for cloudfront for Kubuntu Plasma 5 images via Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$639.00 travel and accommodations for Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu team
$591.82 travel and accommodations for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan, Kubuntu team
$166.00 travel and accommodations for Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan, Kubuntu team
If we can point out anything I said that is aggressive… “they have never done that.” I read the linked IRC logs and email; what I saw several request for Jonathan to not be aggressive. His response was not to tone down is rhetoric, but to claim he was being bullied.
If you want to be regarded as a serious contributor with a serious opinion, don’t hide behind anonymity & then puke up a wall of text that’s supposed to be considered by serious people, people who give their names & qualifications, who do not hide in the shadows. Like you & I do.
The point is that it took two years to find out about the “flavor donations” (just under $3K in donations, as I recall). Riddell just wanted transparency. Had he gotten those numbers, he wouldn’t have dogged them on it for so long and gotten upset about it.
> The Community Council was not happy with the fact that Canonical did not have proper accounting of the where the dontated money was spent, but it was satisfied with the changes that have been made to ensure better accounting.
The Community Council was asked to look into it on the behalf of third parties. Those third parties didn’t like the “we’re going to be better from now on” answer. Because it *wasn’t* an answer, but the CC took it anyway to not make waves. The CC *gave up* because they didn’t really care about the answer. Ubuntu was entirely capable of finding out what those numbers were, and it was their responsibility to do it. They shouldn’t have bothered to put sliders in if they weren’t tracking that the money actually went into it. Not doing so shows it’s more of a mechanism to elicit larger donations than to ensure proper direction of funds.
In the end, the money wasn’t used inappropriately. But it shouldn’t have taken 2 years of pestering by Riddell to figure it out. The fault lies solely on Ubuntu and the CC for this one.
Well Canonical is the new Oracle. Once Oracle purchased Java, then they basically told Apache and every other 3rd party entity to go to hell and if they wanted to play ball, then you play it the Oracle way. So it seems that Canonical is starting to do the same thing. First it’s Kubuntu, next it will be Mint. I completely side with Jonathan in this mess. It’s a shame what is occurring within the ranks for Ubuntu. I’m so sick of everyone in the Linux community hiding behind the “Code of Conduct” crap when they want to flex their opinion on something. What is occurring with Ubuntu v/s Kubuntu and the “Code of Conduct” is the beginning of bad times for Linux.
Nah, the Oracle comparison is way off the mark. Canonical produce internet drama mostly from unintended cock-ups or dodgy decisions – like buttons on the left or whatever, small stuff in the big scheme of things. Oracle seem to be deliberately evil, such as wanting to break all software for everyone by making interoperability a breach of copyright.
Yeah, Canonical/Shuttleworth is trying to do something they think is good.
Oracle doesn’t even know about good or evil.
Oracle is only about money. Bryan Cantrill
explains this in length in his “Fork Yeah!”
(Starting at 33:50)
(WARNING: Very entertaining!)
Thanks for the great show(s). The content is great and i’d love the show to be at least 3 hrs. Ok, maybe not. I have been using linux since the late 90’s and as my only OS since 2007. I have seen alot and linux has never been better. I would not want to go back to the bad old days. Keep doing the great job you guys do. BTW, I disagree with you guys too often to mention. In spite of that, I will continue listening. LONG LIVE ARCH LINUX/ANTERGOS.
Elementary OS is a beautiful farce. It is a horrible piece of junk. Tried it on my i7 laptop and it froze so often it didn’t last 2 hours. Installed it on my girl’s old desktop and she loved it, until she tried to use it. I loaded Ubuntu Mate and I have not any questions in a month. I will never use that piece of klunk again. Carry on…
I think the flavors have lots of community people testing and filing bugs that could also end up messing up people with unity and the same hardware for example or shared packages like evince is used in many flavors. Or bugs in firefox. Or bugs in any package in the repos. Or all of the people testing flavors end up with more people testing ubiquity on their hardware so if they fix those critical ones all flavors could be better.
Had to drop my couple cents in after the bomb during the feedback.
I’ve written in about my fear that the length and format might change due to the work load or direction. I’m on record as wanting a LONGER show in the same format at the two week interval you currently produce. I stand firmly by my preference.
The listener unhappy with the direction of the show is entitled to his opinion and free to leave at any time. I find myself agreeing with the the points Joe and Jessie made. The world has chosen Mobile. The show touches enough of the desktop, server and mobile to give the listener a good overall big picture view. But the comment about relevant content? I don’t think anyone else in the FOSS community actually bothered to interview Jonathan Riddell, in the dead of night nonetheless, to hear his side of the story. Everyone else TALKS about Tizen, Firefox and Ubuntu Touch. You guys actually went out and grabbed one, used it, and reported on it. That counts for a lot in my book and it’s a good reason I look forward to ever other Monday.
Again, I’ve written in before, and agree with Paddy, the three of you bring very different things to the podcast and, I believe, that’s what makes this show work.
Firefox/Chrome/Chromium: I’m in the same boat myself and I don’t see anything else. Perhaps a show topic for the future looking at alternatives?
Skype. It does suck that it’s the only solution that seems to reliably work. Just look at the current production woes over at Jupiter Broadcasting as Chris/Noah try to keep that boat from sinking. Perhaps Joe, since he’s on almost every podcast anyway, can poll everyone to see what kind of infrastructure everybody is using? The JB community is pretty open about what they use. The Linux Voice guys, if I remember, do everything on open source? Or maybe, you guys can form the Open Source Broadcasters Alliance, pool your resources and donation base and direct the funds to the area’s that need it?
Loved your interview with Jonathan Riddell. I noticed somebody anonymously left a response. This anonymous person must be from The Community Council. Cause how did they produce the expense amounts? But to not put a name and write anonymously kills their credibility.
I do agree that my phone is indeed my main computer. I have two scanner apps I use in my business, I send out email responses, schedule appointments, and on and on.
Keep up the great podcast I have no problem with the phone conversations – cause it does help me. I found it interesting your comments regarding download numbers and episodes with the higher numbers.
I agree with your comments about crowdfunding in general but to some degree you seemed to be saying that crowdfunded projects were using their backers as unwitting beta testers and in the case of the Oculus Rift Kickstarter at least that characterization is unfar. I knew someone who contributed to that campaign two years ago, and it seemed very clear at the time that the device being shipped was a developer preview, created mainly for developers to test and see what kind of games they could create for it, and not something that would still be supported two years later.
I am pleased to hear that Joe is still holding out with Firefox though the situation seems tenuous. Chromium (and all other major browsers) are just nowhere near as configurable and I dread the day when I have to give up on Firefox.
I just finished listening (appropriately for the subject of this comment, I had paused the show after listening to the first half when I made my previous comment). Regarding the show length, I say just do whatever you are comfortable with. There are some shows (I won’t name names) that I don’t enjoy because they go through their topics too quickly. For example, some news segments on other shows are basically just the hosts reading the headlines and a two sentence summary of the article. Given that most shows in a genre end up covering the same crop of news stories, the only thing that makes listening to more than one show worthwhile is to hear the hosts’ opinions/insight on the story, not the story content itself. If you guys imposed an artificial time limit, my fear would be that you would still try to cover the same amount of stuff but just cut it down to fit by leaving out the most interesting parts (where you let a topic breath).
That said, I am really into Linux/tech right now. There are other topics that I am less interested in that I have been falling behind on in podcast listening. For some of them, if the podcast were shorter, I’d probably have listened to more because I don’t feel like making 1+ hour commitment to that topic over a span of time when I could listen with pauses without forgetting what I had already heard.
So the show’s length dictates the kind of listeners you will get. A longer show will pull in more dedicated listeners that appreciate the depth. A shorter show will attract a greater number of casual listeners but might not offer the dedicated listeners enough to make them really enjoy the show.
Some thoughts on the last show.
Don’t make it shorter. I have a long commute (about 3 to 4 hrs total ). Linux Luddites is a critical part of my survival mechanism.
Phones as computers:
I haven’t always agreed with your views on this but I am slowly coming around to it. Your show is helpful to me in sorting through the myriad of available options. My greatest fear is that as we migrate to mobile we will slowly lose any choice/freedoms we have. Then again, that assumes that we had them to begin with.
Thanks for a great podcast.
You haven’t yet managed to produce an episode I would consider too long. I may pause them and continue the next day but that’s one of the benefits of podcasts, isn’t it?
Keep up the good work!
Regarding Fedora 22 being somewhat underwhelming:
I have used Fedora 20 for sometime doing embedded development. It was a bit sluggish on my I7 workstation but it got the job done. I recently upgraded to FD22. I like it:
1. It is noticeably more responsive
2. The clarity and presentation of the GUI is superior
And , by the way, the upgrade was painless.
I listen to your show regularly and appreciate the casual banter without going too far over the edge.
I feel the mix of Linux, phone and general technology is about right.
You are filling the void left by Linux Outlaws (my previous favorite podcast).
A. J. Griggs
I for one don’t have a problem with mobile computers being discussed on the show, as long as it’s from the perspective(s) that makes the show interesting as a whole. as long as you do that well, I don’t mind long shows either.
Weirdly, I find myself mentioning here for the second
time that there are odf viewer/editor android
applications that have existed for a while https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=opendocument&fdid=at.tomtasche.reader.
that is just a 1 mb download and 6.2 mb installed, by the way.
This has been on my handy, as we Germans call our phones,
for a while, but I have barely used it. This is because
especially since I got the Acer C720 chromebook and
installed Linux on it I found that this offered a better
compromise between portability and productivity, at least
in cases where an office application might be relevant.
Practically speaking: when I am in a seminar, I will take
notes in vim on my laptop, not in libreoffice etal on
part of the reason for this is probably that my phone is underpowered in comtemporary comparison, what with it being a nexus s with less than half a gb of ram. but I think there are also structural limits of phone form factors – at least absent of a keyboard carries around with me (hello, convergence), at which point I am not sure what the upside over a light laptop would be.
Regarding browsers: it seems to me that all of them somewhat suck, and anyone will get annoyed with her current choice sooner or later. I continue to use firefox primarily, since it offers more customisability and extensions like noscript that i want to be in my main browser, i. w., my main tool to access and do things on the internet.
I like the way you guys edit the show. It keeps it interesting no matter what the length. That having been said, keep the show at a length that is best for you. So that we can hear many more episodes.
Your review of the Elementary OS left me wondering. I thought the whole idea behind Elementary was to offer those who loved Apple an alternative on Linux. So shouldn’t the review have been all about how closely they got the OS to resemble Apples? Not so much about Apple’s one button philosophy being wrong, which if I remember right was Woz’s idea, but on how well they emulated it.
That might have been difficult for them to do much more than they did given that Paddy is not familiar with OS X and it sounded like Joe hadn’t used it in a few years (I don’t recall if Jesse said what his familiarity with it was). I thought they did do some of this by reviewing the performance of all the applications since Apple’s walled garden of Apps is one of OS X’s selling points.
I don’t like the Macintosh interface. Everytime I use on, last time was about a week ago, I get upset at the one button mouse and the menus not being where they should be, etc.. They should just make it XFCE and be done with it. However lemmings love Apples. They see their movie stars using them. They see the cool girl in the literature department using them. So they save up every dime they have, quit going to the coffee shop, and buy an Apple. It’s crazy. But we need to compare apples to apples. Comparing ElementaryOS to real Linux desktops is unfair.
I think there are a lot of factors that lead to Macs being popular. For one, basically the entire product line is high end (comparable to the high end of what other PC manufacturers sell), so they are popular with the computer savvy developer type of user (ones that don’t care about software freedom) — the kind of person that a more novice user will ask for advice when buying a computer. Secondly, their product line is very streamlined (though I think they should ditch the basic MacBook and just sell the Air and Pro versions), so it’s easy to pick out the appropriate model (compared to e.g. Lenovo that has tens of different laptop configurations on its website). Thirdly, Apple’s walled garden provides a fairly integrated/seamless experience for users with minimal computing requirements (i.e. just using Safari, iTunes, Mail, iWork, iPhone notification/contacts integration, etc.). I don’t think the desktop UI plays into it too much (I don’t think the differences compared to Windows are particularly more or less attractive or usable — though if there’s one thing I have learned from Linux Luddites it’s that some people care a lot more about desktop UI’s than I do), and the fact that all Apple products are high end means that the fact that OS X is pretty resource intensive doesn’t matter too much.
Good points all of which I agree with. I’d rather make snide comments about Apple though. More fulfilling.
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I think it reappeared (unless there was more than one?). I like how this comment system doesn’t require registration/login, though I think that is an option for Disqus as well.
I haven’t tried ElementaryOS, but I really dislike the cult which surrounds it. Furthermore, I dislike the common notion that Elementary is beautiful because it looks like a Mac; you happily don’t share it though. How well a thing mimics a Mac isn’t a measurement of well designed it is.
Would you like a Linux OS that looked almost like Windows 7? A copy that got the filemanager, settings, etc., almost exactly the same. Then froze it except for refinements that made it act and behave more like the Windows 7 OS. Maybe even putting in a suite of applications that you would normally use. Sure it would suck because it was not Linux Mint XFCE but for those people not willing to be forced to Windows 10 they might love it. I get the impression Elementary OS is meant for those who love Macintosh.
Please keep the show length as it is, it’s fine. I listen on my commute to and from work, about 45mins, and am quite happy to enjoy what you have to say in three sections! Since the demise of Linux Outlaws this is probably my favourite Linux podcast and I appreciate the effort you obviously put into it. Provided you are comfortable with the workload, I’d say stick with the show length and frequency you’ve got now.
Thanks again for the great show guys!
Please don’t make it shorter! I thoroughly enjoy the current format – including all the ramblings and a wide variety of topics covered.
On other topics: I question your claim to have just reviewed “the three main Linux distributions on phones” when you have only had a (very) brief first impression on Sailfish. Not saying I would prefer more phone related shows – just pointing out the omission.
Touche Topikissa. I agree Sailfish is a prominent Linux based smartphone OS we haven’t looked at other than referring to a news item or in passing. Did I say we’d reviewed “the three main” or “three of the main”. If the former, then I was remiss in ignoring the fourth of the current crop of phone OS’s vying for a place at the smartphone table, if the latter then I was right :P. But admittedly should have mentioned Sailfish.
As for looking at Sailfish, we can’t afford the hardware (£180) and I don’t know if it would be fair to look at it on tablets (despite that being our method for Ubuntu – I never said we were consistent) so it’s not likely to be reviewed any time soon.
Please beg borrow or steal a Macintosh so you guys can get familiar with the second most popular desktop OS! :-)
I’ve actually got a Core2 Duo Macbook Pro but I only use it occasionally to watch films in bed. It’s only capable of running Lion (10.7 I think) so I am very much out of touch with OS X.
Donations of any hardware will be gratefully received. ;)
I found the following juxtaposition humorous: In feedback, Joe gives his talk about how some change is progress, and mobile is the future, and convergence, etc. etc.; followed by the Elementary review, where the focus was primarily on the devs breaking the crufty desktop metaphor in computing.
Key word: some.
I thought it was a great moment when Joe said he hadn’t noticed that changing the desktop background resulted in a black background because he actually wanted a black background. Experiences can be really variable based on taste. Personally, I never put things on the desktop, so I wouldn’t have noticed that you couldn’t.
Let me be the ‘odd man out’ who appreciates a shorter,
less rambling version of LL. Occasionally it would come
in handy when I drive my mom’s car that can only play 80
minute audio CDs [shocked].
To those who have a long commute for listening, add some other podcasts. There’s more than one source in the Universe. :-\
Great defense of the show, Joe (if a little angry, or perturbed is how you Brits say it). This show is high quality. It doesn’t have pointless filler. It is edited meticulously. And yeah, if 10 minutes are spent talking about phones that run on the Linux kernel, then they are relevant to the show’s focus. I’ve been listening for over a year now and I think the core topics of the show include open source software, security, privacy, and where computers are taking us – the change aspect. It’s really a class show. In a world without Linux Outlaws, it’s a show that needs to carry on. It is relevant, well-produced, and seems to be about 130 minutes each fortnight. Well done.
A very good show, especially because of the Jonathan Riddell interview, and the Elementary OS review. I would love to try Elementary as a serious distro contender. Installed it 2 or 3 times, and always had major issues that made it unusable for me.
Regarding mobile phone content in your show, I enjoyed your in-depth looks at Ubuntu phone, Firefox phone and Tizen in previous episodes. Please continue with such testing, because listeners learn much more from that than from most other reviews they can read elsewhere.
BTW, coloured folders on the Mac already existed in pre-OS X times. I used them in Mac OS 7 in 1991, and I liked it.
Given the talk about Firefox’s perceived decline (which I
partially agree with), some things recently happening
with Chrom* give some pause: it obviously has been
silently loading proprietary binary extensions with
First of, great show, love listening. However, I do wish
to hold you all responsible for creating a rather major
mess on my desk. A couple shows ago, I said to myself,
“If Joe tries to pass off a smartphone as a computer
again, my head will explode.” After last weeks show –
well I’m still cleaning off the goo.
Let me see if I understand this right. Except for the lack of creation oriented software, and appropriate input hardware, a smartphone could take the place of a desktop computer because it has a cpu? Well my car, my coffemaker, my freaking wall clock all have cpus, but they don’t have the correct software or hardware, so they aren’t computers. I will go as far to agree that once one has the right software, one could plug in input devices, storage, and a usable screen to use the cpu of a smartphone as a component to a computer, but it will no more be a computer itself than my desktop case is. Actually less because the case has enough storage.
Well your desktop case doesn’t have any peripherals for input or output, so by that logic, your coffee maker is more of a computer? I don’t understand how an obviously intelligent group of people can suggest such inconsequential arguments. I use my Samsung Note 10.1 with Arch Linux with a Bluetooth keyboard as a fully fledged workstation using vim/git for development. One could say by your logic a headless server isn’t a computer, would that be true? While I agree that smart phones are much less pragmatic than tablets and the like, suggesting one isn’t a computer because of a lack of input hardware or content creation software is a little ridiculous
Just catching up on the show, good show but I have to ask one question. At one point in the show, feedback I think, someone said that Linux users would be OK because they have plenty of alternatives to Firefox but Windows users might be in trouble. Exactly which major browsers are available for Linux but _not_ for Windows? I just thought it an odd thing to say, if anything Windows usually has more choices. Up until recently the newer Opera (WebKit/Blink engine) was only available in Windows but now Opera has nice .debs and .rpms that automagically add their repo when you install from the package. I’ve switched from Firefox to Opera 30.x and haven’t been this happy and this satisfied with a browser in a long time. It has all of the niceties of Chrome but less of the clutter. Try it, you might like it. You can also get the newer pepper version of flash with Opera and it works fine. Still no support for Netflix in Opera AFAIK but that’s a small thing for me. Anyway, main point was the question about how Windows users could possibly have less browser choice, I don’t believe this is true.
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