not all change is progress
October 4, 2015
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0:01:11 openSuse Tumbleweed
0:53:36 OSCON interview
This week Jesse and Joe have a good look at Tumbleweed – the rolling release of openSuse, go through your feedback and then speak to Rachel Roumeliotis, the co-chair of OSCON, an Open Source conference put on by O’Reilly Media. Be sure to listen to the end of the show because we have a valuable giveaway that you won’t want to miss.0:01:11 openSuse Tumbleweed
Jesse has been keen for us to look at the rolling release of openSuse for quite a while now. What did we make of it?
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Steve Leach questioned our use of “app” to describe Flavio Tordini’s three programs and wondered if it was as interchangeable for software on our PCs in the UK.
Ivor O’Connor wondered why the ability to save videos has has been removed in Minitube and asked if we would cover ways of downloading videos from YouTube. Joe suggested youtube-dl.
Keith Z-G and Helam Sirrine made some excellent points about old and new software.
Aaronb outlined how Chromixium has improved his wife’s laptop and Martin Wimpress suggested that we have a look at Chromium OS.
Jodie Mac pointed us towards an alternative to website paywalls. Alex, Brian Ackroyd and Floyd Wallace also shared their thoughts the subject.
Alan Kerns, linmob and Florian all got in touch regarding the topic of free speech in Germany.
Nathan D Smith was fairly positive about gaming on Linux while pypi and reint both suggested Unison as a solution to Paddy and Jesse’s bidirectional syncing problem.
Matthew Beaven asked the developers of the Mycroft project if the server code would be open source as well, and thought their response might be useful to our coverage of the project.
Rob Landley left a fairly detailed comment on show #53 about the history of Microsoft’s antitrust cases that’s well worth a read.
0:53:36 Rachel Roumeliotis interview (OSCON)
We spoke to Rachel Roumeliotis about OSCON which is happening on 26–28 October 2015 in Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
Giveaway: You can win a free pass to OSCON! All you have to do is email us with with the subject “OSCON pass”. We’ll pick one person at random. Please only do so if you can make your own way to Amsterdam between 26-28 October 2015. The closing date is midnight UK time on 17th October. We’ll email the winner back on the 18th October.
If you don’t win, you can get 25% off a pass with the code LINUX25.
gnome-shell is still 3.16 in Arch as well right now just for comparison to another rolling release distro. I’m not sure what the testing process for something like gnome-shell is like for either Tumbleweed or Arch.
Hmm, looks like Arch updated to 3.18 within an hour of me posting that, and Tumbleweed is still on 3.16 for now.
Hi there – pretty new listener here, following you since past June: big podcast guys.
As openSUSE user, I have some points about openSUSE Tumbleweed first glance:
* Factory and Tumbleweed are definitively not the same thing: the former is the development branch, the latter is an openQA successfully tested rolling release, pretty much bleeding edge (Gnome 3.16 was there a couple of weeks before Arch had it in the stable repo) ; as bleeding edge distro, your stability experience may vary: I had no issue on Tumbleweed within six month, while I had a couple running Manjaro in one month.
* openSUSE Leap is in heavy development while pretty usable – I’m writing from it, but it’s not still released: the current openSUSE 13.2 has its own code base, while Leap 42 will share its code base with SUSE Linux, an enterprise grade ; a great re organization of the whole openSUSE project is on going then.
* No one of you mentioned the Packman repository, which is kind of mandatory running openSUSE because it hosts the non free stuff (e.g.: vlc + vlc-codecs from Packman plays the most part of media you can find around); also only one in the testers seems to be aware of openSUSE Build Service, (not mentioned ?), where you can find lots of packages and install them with the 1-click install method (TBH few clicks actually), in my opinion by far better than the Ubuntu PPA system is.
* the installer is the most powerful in the Linux galaxy: good automatic proposals and full power options; as an example, you see the automatically proposed partition set up happens only if one first accept the proposed disk set up and then go back to the expert partitioner – if you go directly into the expert partitioner you have a powerful tool.
Eventually, openSUSE is a beast with its own nature, and you have to take your time to get used to it – trying to make it run as it was Arch or Ubuntu/Debian does not work, as I personally experienced.
About Chrome OS test: being this a Linux podcast, I suggest to take a look to Chrome OS together with the Crouton project, which enables you to run a Debian/Ubuntu based Linux inside Chrome OS – I’m having good time on my cheap Chromebook this way.
it was the first time that I have listened to your show
and I must say, that I liked it.
Running OpenSuse 13.2 and Tumbleweed on two machines at home, of course I was curious to hear, what you had to tell.
*I don’t know what snapshot you were running and when you did the review. The Oct 2nd Snapshot 20151002 contained the Kernel Upgrade from 4.1.6 -> 4.2.1.
*Gnome 3.18 is in the pipeline. Due to problems while testing they delayed the rollout. Read here https://news.opensuse.org/2015/10/01/next-tumbleweed-snapshot-to-have-systemd-224/
*Stability issues with KDE. Yep, I had them too, even
though on my side it was just minor components of the KDE
desktop that crashed – never did I experienced a complete
system freeze-, but since the last one or two snapshots,
situation has improved drastically. KDE runs now quite
stable, little bugs that I have experienced have been
So again I wonder if you did run a distro upgrade to get the most recent snapshot (zypper dup)?
That was one of the major things for me in the beginning. 13.2 uses this little notification icon in the KDE system tray to upgrade (my main desktop). Tumbleweed does not have that and after a little reading in a couple of forums it became clear, that you need to run zypper dup in the terminal for the new snapshots to be pulled and installed.
*I am a normal user and I managed to throw over the suggested partitioning during installation and changed it to my liking. Everyone able to install a custom partitioned windows machine should be able to handle this installer.
*I don’t know how other distros roll, if they rollout the newest packages once available or if they bundle? To me, I prefer the way Tumbleweed handles the rollover. Snapshots are getting tested before release and so far, after a couple of Snapshots, I must say that my overall system and stability has improved constantly. For that benefit, I can easily wait a couple of days for some software to be upgraded. To me that is bleeding edge enough.
*if you search the internet for “5 things to do after installing OpenSuse Tubleweed” or “13.2” you will quickly be directed to the one-click installers of the community to install the missing codecs to run certain multimedia. Why they are not installing it right away, I don’t know, but I am with you assuming, that it has to do with legal issues.
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